THE TOBIAS MATERIALS
The Divine Human Series: "SHOUD
Questions and Answers
Presented at the Crimson Circle
May 3, 2003
Tobias: And so it is, dear friends, that we continue the
creative energies of this day. Metatron, Hossaf, Mary, all of the other angels
and entities are sitting here before a group of Spiritual Artists. You have
created your way from Home to this very space, and now are creating a whole
new understanding and awareness. You are creating a true unfolding of Spirit.
You are like the flower that opens up, accepting in all things around you, opening
up to reveal that which you truly are.
It was an honor and delight for I, Tobias, to finally hug you! (audience laughter)
And, for those who asked in their heart, “Was it Tobias? Was it Cauldre?”
(more laughter) It was indeed both of us. It was the energies also of Metatron,
Hossaf, and Mary. We could all come through, thanks to Cauldre sharing his body
for this occasion. (more laughter)
It was not always so easy for us to come this close. Sometimes there is the
assumption that the angels can come in freely at any time. That is not so much
true, dear friends. It is difficult for us to come through the veil, just as
it is difficult for you to transcend the veil. The angels can, in a sense, observe
from a distance. But, it has always been very difficult for us to come through
this close like what we were able to do today.
What an honor it was to receive from you, to connect with you! What a joy it
was to see you open your heart, to feel safe enough to open your heart!
Hugs are an interesting thing. When a human is safe enough to hug… oh,
they are truly safe enough to express their creative divinity. The body represents
such barriers. Coming that close to another human, touching them, has such barriers
But, we felt you when you opened up, when you touched us. We could feel that.
We are not in physical form, but we felt the overwhelming sensation of your
energy and your love in a way that I, Tobias, had not been able to do before.
Some of you get upset at times, demanding at times. We have heard some of you
even say to us, “But if you are real, manifest before us. Show yourself
to us. Prove to me that you exist. I want to see an angel with my human eyes.”
Some of you have set this up as a test for yourself, perhaps a test for us.
What we say to you is that when you are thinking in that way, in that logical
way, when you are demanding proof in your Old Energy reality, we can be standing
in front of you, and you cannot see us. When you open your heart, when you get
out of the Old reality, you will feel us first, and then you will begin to see
us. You will begin to know when we are standing beside you, and when we are
not. There will be no more doubt in your mind.
You are already getting some hints of this. You are seeing us as a bright spot
of light off to the side of your eye. But, when you look at it, you go intellectual.
You go analytical. Then the bright spot of light seems to disappear. It doesn't.
We are still there.
You are seeing the essence of Spirit in this bright light. But, you have converted
back to your analytical mind, and then you can no longer sense us. Sometimes
you see us as a movement off to the side. You get a feeling of warmth come over
you. But, the moment you start analyzing, it goes away.
Dear friends, the next time that happens, when we are right there with you
in your reality, you know what to do. Breathe in. Allow your own creativity
to dance with ours.
You wonder sometimes, “Am I just making this up?” In a sense, we
laugh and say, “Does it really matter?” (audience laughter) What
is reality? Your Old reality was a narrow, linear road… dry… difficult…
harsh. Your New reality is anything that you make it… anything. That is
what we are saying here.
Express yourself. Go multi-dimensional. Allow yourself to be out of your mind.
(some laughter) Your reality is anything you make it. You no longer have to
be in the Old world reality that was limited to only what you saw, or perhaps
felt with your human senses. It can go so much wider, so much deeper now. Your
reality is anything that you care to make it. It becomes what you would consider
tangibly real when you express within that Now moment of reality.
There is no truth about a singular reality. Oh, sometimes your human senses
try to prove it otherwise, try to say reality is only what you can feel. Reality
is a tree when you bump your head into it. But, reality is also everything that
exists in the Now around you. Breathe it in and express. Express your creativity.
Then it becomes a reality for you, just as the tree would be for your head when
it bangs into it.
With that, dear friends, we would be delighted to answer your questions.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 1: Tobias, why do I feel empty and sad in these days?
I don’t want to do anything but to sit and do nothing, whereas I have
a job to go to everyday, and a husband, and a baby who demands attention from
TOBIAS: Indeed, and this is a question that all of Shaumbra is asking, or perhaps
has asked – the feeling of emptiness, the feeling of sadness. You are
truly going from one energy to another. You are truly changing everything that
you thought you were. You are dying, in a way, going from one lifetime to the
next, but staying in your physical body, and also still deeply attached to the
Old energy realities.
We talked earlier in the Shoud about going through a tremendous period of releasing,
a period of void. That is where so much of the sadness comes in. This seems
to be part of the process.
There are things that can be done to help comfort this. These are very simple.
It is the breathing – the breathing of acceptance, and the acceptance
that you are in this space. No sense in trying to hide it or fight it.
Honor yourself for the sadness that you are in. Honor yourself. The part of
you that you thought you knew so well is gone. Honor the feeling of void. Do
not try to overcome, battle it, or deny it. Be in it fully.
Now, we know many of you are saying, “But, Tobias, we do not want to
be in it. We are trying to get out of it.” (audience laughter) You will
receive so many gifts for yourself by honoring, and accepting, and allowing
Your fear is that you will get stuck here if you honor it, that you must run
from it as fast as you can. It is like a boogy man that is trying to chase you
and consume you. But, you will not… you will not get stuck in this.
So, you are blessed, in a way. You are experiencing what Shaumbra all across
the world has gone through, or is going through. Breathe in and celebrate the
death of the Old self. And, hold no expectations about what the New you will
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 2: Yes, I have a question. So many children are diagnosed
with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) and ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
Disorder), especially in American society. My question is – are they not
just misunderstood? Are they not just part of the New Energy that is coming
TOBIAS: Indeed, you are very perceptive. The ones who can't seem to hold a
focus are coming in as children so much more expanded than perhaps most of you
have come in. They are highly sensitive children. They are aware of so many
things going on around them in the realms that would be called “unreal.”
But, as we now know, they are very real indeed.
The current structures of the schools and families try to put them into a singular,
linear and analytical focus. Yet they are very multi-dimensional and very sensitive.
They need continual stimulation from all sorts of sources. They need the ability
to express themselves. And, so many of them are being denied that venue of expression.
The schools, dear friends, as we have talked about before, do not provide the
type of environment for these children.
Who is going to create these schools? It is you, Shaumbra. When are you going
to do this? There are now millions and millions of these New Energy children
coming in. Where are they going to be warehoused if you don't create the schools?
When are you going to use your own creative ability and make these places happen?
When are you going to take the cue from Metatron that “now is the time?”
You are very perceptive about the New Energy children. And, it saddens I, Tobias.
Yes, the more I am around you all, I am developing human characteristics. (audience
laughter) It saddens me to see the way that these children are handled.
You know exactly what happens. They are diagnosed. They are analyzed by an
Old Energy system and an Old Energy brain, someone that calls themselves a doctor.
They are analyzed, and they are given some type of drug to suppress the creative
flow within them.
I need not say more about what needs to be done. It is time, Shaumbra, for
you to do the work. When you begin your own creative expression now, in doing
all of these things like setting up schools, don’t be worried if it doesn't
turn out instantly, if it isn't all manifested. Don't fret if it changes along
At least, you are making the moves and allowing divine energy to come into
the Now. But, it will grow, and it will build as you move out. Don't worry about
making mistakes. You have a natural, spiritual balancer within you now. It will
work out. We thank you for this question and the opportunity to pontificate.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 3: Tobias, would you please share with us the role of
the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization? Is there anything I can do to make
the lives of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in my boyfriend’s family less
fearful? (audience laughter) I love you always.
TOBIAS: There are many karmic spiritual groups who come back together lifetime
after lifetime. There are the ones who you just mentioned – the Jehovah's
Witnesses. If you trace the lineage of its members, they have spent time together
in the past, perhaps in another type of spiritual or religious organization.
They come back together in these modern times to reunite. What holds them together
is perhaps a book or a common believe system. But, what really binds them is
old group karma.
Now, they set up many rules and regulations, whether it is Jehovah's Witnesses,
or so many of the other very tight, highly focused religions that you have right
now. They will try to attract members from the outside, but what they find is
that the outsiders come and go. They may join for a short period of time, and
then they leave, because they do not carry the same karmic energies as this
There is much to be served by them coming back together. They give each other
strength. And, they are working through so many of their karmic situations.
So, it is for you to honor all of them. It does not mean you need to accept
their belief system, nor do they need to accept yours.
With your family relationship, you were connected with this karmic group in
the past. Now, you are releasing yourself from the Old Energies. You do not
feel comfortable with the family dynamics involved of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Understand it is not appropriate to change them. But it may be appropriate to
change your situation. There will be much guilt associated with this. And, it
will be very difficult because there are still strong bonds to the Old family
The Jehovah family bonds are not just from lifetimes on Earth. They are from
a group prior to coming to Earth, back before Earth was ever created. This was
more of a celestial group called – how to spell – C-I-D-A, Cida,
that you were all part of.
Now, you know it is time to leave. It is difficult. It is causing you much
frustration and aggravation. But, we say to you, follow your heart. You will
know what to do.
We emphasize that so many groups and religions right now have ties from long
before they ever came to Earth, including the tribe of Israel that I was a part
of. We were a group that knew each other so very well prior to coming to Earth.
We brought much karma with us when we came to Earth.
This was intensified during the period of Atlantis, where our group tended
to rule Atlantis. We tended to dominate. We were a very elite group. There was
a karmic condition and karmic cleansing that the children of Israel, the Jewish
tribe, agreed to. This is what you know as World War II.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 4: Hello, Tobias. I’m Joseph from Israel.
TOBIAS: Joseph, I know who you are. (audience laughter) We have known each
other for quite some time.
SHAUMBRA 4: It was very emotional to hug you. Thank you. And, hello to all
this wonderful and gorgeous family from all over the world, and my family in
Israel, (the speaker then said something in Hebrew) where they will stay awake…
it’s very late at night now. My question is first what could you say about
this very, very terrifying and tense situation now in Israel? What can you tell
about all these young people who have to go to the army? They are trapped in
the war and this kind of situation, but it seems to me it’s all their
world, at least the United States supports, in a way. The other question is
– what was the storm when I came to Colorado in the plane? Thank you.
TOBIAS: Indeed, and we have talked about my homeland of Israel. So many times
we've talked about the conflicts that exist in Israel right now. These conflicts
will continue. These will continue until all of the energies, the Old religious
energies, come to the surface, and find a new and different way of resolution.
They will do this when they get tired of their Old ways.
They are still playing with the Old ways of terrorism, and of bombings, and
of suppression, and repression. These go back to the time of Atlantis. And,
they go back to the times even before any humans were ever on Earth. So, you
will see these intensify, all as a way of clearing.
Now, dear Joseph, you are not bound to this place of Israel. You have changed.
You have released so many of these energies. If you choose to leave this place,
it will be difficult and sad, but you are not bound to it. If you choose to
stay there, you will bring the essence of Shaumbra and the essence of the New
Energy with you. And, it will be difficult to stay for a period of time. It
is your choice. It is up to you, but know that it is a difficult assignment.
This conflict will exist for a period of time. We are not prophesizing here,
but we see this getting slightly better in the months ahead, and then getting
very much worse, very much worse. Understand – by standing behind the
short wall – that it is all appropriate. It is all part of a renewal process.
Perhaps, one of these days humans across the Earth will have the type of New
Energy solutions and creativity that all of you are coming up with. You will
not need to resort to Old ways. But, this is the way it will be for a while
in this place.
I will interject a personal note here. For quite some time, I, Tobias, have
been trying to urge Cauldre and Linda to go to this region. (audience laughter)
I will now state this publicly. (more laughter) Let there be no doubt that it
would be appropriate for us to go back. It is not only about me revisiting an
area of the world that is so sacred and so, so sentimental for me.
But dear Cauldre and Linda, we had you go to Korea, and you were safe. We have
had you go to many difficult places, and you have always been safe. You were
recently in Indianapolis, and it was safe. (much audience laughter)
So, there will be many protective energies around you. We would like to do
this within the period of one year. (more laughter, particularly at Linda rolling
her eyes with astonished facial expressions, commenting, “Did I miss the
part about it getting worse there?”) Earlier would be better. (more laughter)
But, no matter when you go, you will find that you do not have to be affected
by all of the energies around you.
There is work for us to do there, for all of us to do there. There is work
of bringing in the New Energy. We must help to relieve some of the burdens from
Joseph who is doing this with his group. It would be very appropriate for them
to have many of you Shaumbra come to this area.
In answer to the question about the storm upon your arrival – in a sense,
there are two different ways to express this. This mountainous area creates
some very turbulent winds, and aircraft have a difficult time with this. On
the other hand, it was also symbolic of your personal journey, Joseph, in that
you are traveling to new places. And, sometimes when you are so close to feeling
the safety of arriving at a new point of separation, there is turbulence in
It is a good example for all of you. It is not always a smooth ride. It is
not always easy. Accept that you, dear friends, are totally safe, even in all
of this. Accept that it is part of the journey, and stop trying to fight it.
Understand that even the storms bring New Energy and New clearings. We thank
you for your question, and we look forward to seeing you in the homeland.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 5: How do I know that I want something? I’m serious.
When I sometimes look at the things I want, I see that I don’t really
want them. How will I know that I want something truly? And, please don’t
answer with, “How do you know that you really didn’t want that?”
Indeed, I don’t want to become anything in worldly terms, not in consciousness,
or do anything. Then, many things seem useless. Can you tell something about
TOBIAS: Indeed. You are going through a period of confusion, (audience laughter)
like so many Shaumbra all over the world. You no longer really know what you
want, but yet you cannot define the new thing that you do want. It leaves you
in a state of confusion during this transition process. Perhaps you thought
you wanted a new car, but then when you go down to look at new cars, you find
out you are not interested at all. So many things will be like that for a while.
How do you know when something truly comes along, a passion that is truly yours,
not just a whim, but something that is deep? Oh, you will feel it. You will
feel a type of love, and connection, and passion, and creative desire that I
cannot express in words. It will be beyond just a feeling, or a hunch. It will
be a wave of passion and desire, but all of this in such an appropriate manner,
such a way of fulfilling a creative desire that is within you. So, in the meantime
simply breathe in and understand that everything around you is changing. And,
it is changing because you are becoming a New Energy human.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 6: I’m asking this on behalf of my son who just
finished another two weeks of not being able to eat and is losing weight. What
is going on with my body? Why is my stomach so sensitive to fruits and many
foods? Why do I get gas when digesting foods all the time? And, why am I in
pain? And, why is it that when I call people, they will not be responsible and
call back? And, why are people dying so often?
TOBIAS: Your system is very, very sensitive, particularly with the type of
energies that you brought into this lifetime, and the changes that you are going
through right now. You are rejecting nearly everything that has to do with Old
Energy or Old ways. This includes the foods that you bring into your system.
It is causing turmoil within you. It is because of the rejection of Old ways.
It is to understand that your body needs food at this point for sustenance.
Your body needs the energy that is associated with this. It needs the nutrients.
So, it is a matter right now of understanding that just because you are ingesting
something that you consider from the Old ways that are crude and rough, it is
still important to bring these into your system. Bringing foods into your system
will not trap you in the Old Energy. You need to remind yourself of that.
You will be able to – you personally – will be able to assimilate
energies from all around you, like you have been desiring, through breathing
the energies that are in the dimensions around you. But, your body is not quite
ready for that yet. In a sense, you are rejecting the Old way of life itself.
But, as we have said so often in our discussions with all of Shaumbra, it is
also about honoring the Old ways. The Old ways, as difficult as they have been,
have brought you to this place. The Old ways cannot be denied, or in a sense,
they cannot be changed. They were. Honor them. As you do, and as you honor yourself
and your path, you will go through your own transformational process much smoother.
You do not need to do it by cutting off what you feel to be an Old Energy life
So, it is also not to have to take on the burdens and the difficulties of the
rest of the world. You are trying to do all this at one time. I have known you
from the past, and known you to be quite a racer, one who moves very fast. You
come into this lifetime, and you are trying to get it all done at once. But,
yet there are still some issues that you are holding within you – anger,
I suggest to you to help you to release these, have your dear guide-Mother
take you out and just scream. Yes, scream out in nature, not in your house,
(some laughter) but let this out. It has to do with the breath, of course. But,
it has to do with a deep releasing from some old angers. And, understand that
the movements into the New Energy are so appropriate right now.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 7: My question is – how do people of African descent
fit into the New Energy? And, secondly, how do our youth fit into the New Energy?
TOBIAS: Interesting. There are no lines and barriers for the New Energy. We
can release those now. When Hossaf came into our group last month, and began
to look at you in human body, and to see your energy now in different forms
and shapes, he came back to our side, and he began to sketch out what he would
like to look like if he came back as a human. (audience laughter)
First of all he said he would prefer a darker skin, for he saw that it looked
better. But, yet he also wanted a red hair, for he admired the flame of this.
(audience laughter) He said he preferred a somewhat shorter body to come back
into, because he preferred to be compact and tight. Cauldre does not think that
one is funny. (more laughter about this comment referring to Cauldre’s
height, approximately 6’2”) And, he is still trying to decide whether
he wants to be a male or female. Perhaps both. (more laughter)
All of our way of saying that – how to say – it does not matter
Now, in somewhat of a more direct and reasonable answer to your question –
it is not about any particular sex or race. It is about having the New Energies
germinate within all of the various sub-groups that you have on Earth, and then
meld together. This is very important.
For the youth that you addressed, they are coming in with so many New Energy
attributes. They do not have to go through the type of transition or many of
the struggles that you have had to go through. Yet, the young ones coming in,
they do need the teachers. They do need the human guides. They are coming in
with New Energy attributes into still what is very much an Old Energy world.
And, they will be confounded, and they will be perplexed if they do not have
That comes to the very essence of the Crimson Circle, and why you are here.
We are encouraging all of you to be the teachers and the guides, encouraging
you to use those creative forces that are wanting to come through you now, to
begin developing the New ways.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 8: My question is perfect for what you just stated.
I have been working with time continuum and with putting my word into physical
action. For example, I was in traffic, nowhere to turn. And, I said, “Why
can’t we have the parting of the red cars?” and flinging it like
this. (Questioner made a hand gesture.) Guess what? The red cars parted. Mom
and I drove out, and the red cars came together. And, we have had experiences
like this. Will you be having classes? We need teachers to teach us how to…
I don’t want to say “manipulate” this, but learn to control…
and, that’s not a right word either – you know what I’m trying
to say – be able to practice this more. And, also can I ask you one more
question? You have a partial grid in this particular space – red, yellow,
green. Why is it only partial? And, what are you setting up? Thank you.
TOBIAS: In terms of what we would call synchronicities happening in your life,
in terms of things like a parking space being available, in terms of traffic
moving when you need it to… these are all synchronicities that will come
more and more into your life. It will just be there. When you try to manipulate
it or control it through your mind, it will not. As a matter of fact, it will
be counterproductive. And, it will become even more difficult.
So, dear friends, we have been moving all of you along a path of understanding.
It doesn't come from the Old Energy way, and it doesn't come from the mind.
It is a little bit disconcerting right now, because you are still not sure how
to create and how to manifest.
What we have done is tried to move all of the Old ways out, have you in a totally
open and pure space to watch the synchronicities naturally come in without forcing
or without trying to control. Once you begin to see how all of the synchronicities
occur, how everything is just there for you, then we will be to go into more
details of how now you can do this on a much more proactive conscious level.
It has been our concern, and in a sense, your concern, that if you tried to
do this New Energy synchronicity, but yet with an Old Energy mindset, that it
would cause so much difficulty and pain.
So, for all of Shaumbra right now, for all of Shaumbra, it is about just watching
how everything comes to you. Don't try to limit it. Don't try to define it.
Just let it come in. We will get into these details in future discussions with
you. But, now just watch how everything arrives in your life.
We know you want to have more control over it. You want to feel that you are
the one defining it. We assure you, you are defining it, just not on levels
that you quite understand yet. We will get there, but let's not do it with the
Old Energy mind.
And, in terms of all of the grids and colors – let’s not go there
right now. Let's just feel. There are so many energies you are not perceiving.
You are focused on one area. There are more energies here than you could possibly
imagine, particularly with the group that's assembled here today. So, we ask
you just to go multi-dimensional while staying in your Now and feel, feel the
vibrations that you weren't so aware of, somewhat hidden behind the other ones.
But, they are there.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 9: Hi, Tobias. What is the purpose of the universe being
TOBIAS: Indeed, it is not so large. (audience laughter) The universe only appears
large or confusing when you look at it through an Old Energy mindset or a telescope.
The measuring devices, what humans are using now to measure the universe, are
somewhat laughable from our perspective.
Each day scientists come out with a new equation for how old the universe is.
And, we will add with a bit of a wink here – it is not nearly as old as
what they think it is, not at all. We have said so many times before in our
discussions with you… we refer to the term, “A long, long time ago
but not so long ago at all.” Dear friends, the universe, you and your
journey, are so new, are so recent, it is almost funny.
Do you think you have been around a long time and the universe has been around
even longer? That is quite amusing, because it is so new. It was only a moment
of time ago when you left Home, only a moment of time.
It is an illusion that the universe is large and old. The universe is circular,
and it is expanding in a spiral. The universe cannot be defined with any of
the measuring instruments that you have right now. You can explore the universe
by expanding your consciousness, staying in the source, but we don't think the
information you give to the scientists will make them feel good. (some laughter)
The universe is the new Home for the expanding Spirit. When you look out into
the skies, and you see billions and billions of stars, when you see vast, open
spaces, there is not much out there. It is not teeming with alien life. Alien
life exists at the other dimensional levels. It is not out into your physical
So, why oh why would you have this large, large living room? It is so that
guests can come in. It is so that when Spirit expands from the Kingdom through
you, it has a place to play in this thing called the cosmos or the universe.
What is being learned here on Earth about life force and life forms will then
be carried to other planets and other places, places that right now seem uninhabitable
by the likes of human forms like you. But, the human form will take on a whole
new dynamic as we go into the New Energy.
The universe is not so large, but it is indeed not at all what you think it
is. The universe is the New Home for the expanding Spirit. And, you are the
ones who are creating it.
It’s no wonder then why the likes of Metatron, Hossaf, Mary, and all
of the other angels come in to thank you for a job well done.
You are never alone. We are always with you.
And so it is!
Tobias of the Crimson Council is presented by Geoffrey Hoppe, aka “Cauldre,”
Golden, Colorado. The story of Tobias, from the biblical Book of Tobit, can be
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have been offered free of charge to lightworkers and Shaumbra around the world
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of destruction and into the New Energy.
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and the others of the celestial Crimson Council are actually channeling the
humans. According to Tobias, they are reading our energies and translating our
own information back to us so we can see it from the outside, while experiencing
it on the inside. The “Shoud” is the portion of the channeling where
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The purpose of the Crimson Circle is to serve as human guides and teachers
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mission. Rather, the inner light will guide people to your doorstep for your
compassion and care. You will know what to do and teach in that moment, when
the unique and precious human who is about to embark on the journey of the Bridge
of Swords comes to you.
If you are reading this and feel a sense of truth and connection, you are
indeed Shaumbra. You are a teacher and a human guide. Allow the seed of divinity
to blossom within you in this moment and for all times to come. You are never
alone, for there is family around the world and angels in the realms around
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