THE TOBIAS MATERIALS
The Divine Human Series: "SHOUD
Questions and Answers
Presented at the Crimson Circle
June 7, 2003
And so it is, dear Shaumbra, that Gaia loves you so dearly. She is so delighted
to be here in such a tender but focused way today… so delighted to have
been in divine service to you… again not leaving in a flash, but starting
Your guides departed. So many of the elementals, fairies and the devas have
departed. Oh, we know some of you wonder why you don't see the fairies so much
anymore, if at all. It was their time also. The Kryon entourage left.
Now, Gaia slowly, slowly departs, slowly departs. She returns to her seat in
the Order of the Arc so that you can integrate all of this within you. Again,
it will be a process. There will be time involved with it.
Gaia came here today to thank you for letting your spirit be in her biology…
to share quite an experience with her… to thank you for now taking on
the responsibility of life force energies… of flows of energies coming
through you… energies that can nurture… energies that can rejuvenate…
energies that can cause life to not only sustain itself but now to also expand
itself – what you call New Energy.
Dear friends, one of the points that we want to make to you so strongly is
to understand now in a whole different way why it is not about you anymore.
You see, as you move into the New Energy and you become fulfilled, your soul
and your spirit become fulfilled. It changes everything. But, yet you are still
surrounded by those humans, and even nonhuman forms, who are unfulfilled.
A simple analogy is that… Cauldre, he warns us we are treading on thin
ice here. (audience laughter) A simple analogy is that a dog who is hungry will
pursue food. The dog is unfulfilled. It has hunger in its belly. So, from the
moment it wakes up until the moment it goes to sleep – and even during
its sleep – it will pursue food. It wants to satisfy its hunger. Everything
in its life becomes about receiving food.
The basic energy of a dog is to be in service to you. A dog connects deeply
with Gaia. They love to roll in Gaia. (audience laughter) But, a dog is here
really to be in service to you. It is a reflection of you. It comes here in
service as your pet. However, when its biology is unfulfilled, when it is hungry,
it will override its obligation and its commitment to service in order to feed
itself. At the inner level it knows it must sustain itself before it can ever
You all are much like dogs! (audience laughter) You are here in service. Your
hunger was the spiritual hunger, the soul hunger… wanting completion of
your journey… wanting to release from Old commitments and Old karmas…
wanting to accept all of the divinity that is within you, and the divinity that
has been held by the others – by Gaia, by the Anazasi, by the animal kingdom,
and the plant kingdom, and the dolphin kingdom.
You have been hungering at your soul level. But, now you are allowing yourself
to be filled. You are going within and rejuvenating from within. Your spiritual
hunger is no longer your driving force. You are finding it in the moment, in
the breath, in yourself. You see, so everything changes. You are fulfilled.
But, the rest of the world, you could say, are like hungry dogs. They have
a different reason for what they are doing, a different reason for being here
on Earth than you do. So many of them are in the Old Energy. You are becoming
balanced in the New Energy. Yet, you exist side-by-side with them.
Understand it is truly not about you when things happen. They are trying to
feed themselves. They are trying to find their fulfillment. They will be attracted
to you, particularly the ones who you have known before, because they feel that
you have something to satisfy their hunger. However, they think that if they
take a bite out of you, it will do the job, if they take something from you.
So, many of them will try to do that. It is not about you. They are the hungry
Dear friends, we ask you to remember that the experiences that come to you
are there for a reason. But, it is not about you. You can now apply your full
energies to being totally in service, if that is what you choose.
And, in service, dear friends – we have a saying on this side –
when you are in service, all things come to you. When you are in service, your
soul level knows that it needs a strong biology. It needs abundance. It needs
relationships at times. And, at other times it needs no relationship. Everything
will come to you.
For some strange reason, being in service in lifetimes past meant taking the
vows of poverty, letting everything go. Now, in the New Energy, the New paradigm,
everything comes to you quickly, quickly. You don’t have to beg for it.
It already knows what you need. Your divinity already knows and understands.
So, it can come to you so that you can be that much stronger and more effective
in the work of Spirit and the work of spiritual service. We ask you to absorb
this within yourself, absorb the fact that it can come to you so you can be
stronger in service.
You see, you have shunned it – so much of the healing, so much of the
abundance – you have shunned. You thought this was the way of the Master.
We tell you the true Master brings in every tool and every resource that she
or he needs in that moment, in that moment, not stockpiled, but brought into
that moment. Allow yourself this natural, spiritual phenomena – to have
it come to you. We will say this over and over until you truly begin to understand
And, understand what comes to you right now for the most part will be unfulfilled
humans, unfulfilled experiences, unfulfilled groups. They are hungry. They will
sense that you are filled within. They will want to know where you got it. You
will know how to deal with them when they come to you. You will know.
Things are moving very, very fast right now and will continue to do so for
these next few of years. There will be quick shifts back and forth all around
you. Please, don't take that as being you. Understand.
So many of you came in here today and felt strange or odd. You felt the intensity
that was here. You wanted… you wanted to feel this wonderful, holy, mild,
peaceful, loving feeling. (audience laughter) Ah… dear friends, what you
were feeling was this outside group that we spoke of that was pouring their
energies in here.
You did not have to be affected by them, but yet you could feel them. You could
feel their intensity. You could feel their anger and their fear. You could feel
them trying to manipulate you.
You can take that energy in because, you see, as it comes to you, it truly
has no attachment. They may send it out with attachment, but when it comes in
to you in the New Energy, it comes in as pure energy. And, you can do with that
whatever you so choose. And, you do have the wisdom to understand what it is.
So, dear friends, all of these things are happening. Things are changing fast.
There are many forces that will not like the changes. They will feel they are
giving up some control and power. They are afraid to make the shift themselves,
the shift that requires them to trust that they are God also. They have been
so strongly led to believe that they are not God, but they can try to get in
with some high power if they do certain things.
They are deathly afraid to look within, and say, “I am God also.”
It is a sin for them to say that. Now, you will understand who is intruding
on you today. It is blasphemous to say that. So, there is a fear in doing that.
There is a fear.
Dear friends, but we look at a group here right now. We connect with you in
a very loving way. We see that you are bold enough to at least try to acknowledge
that… try to open up to it… try to allow your divinity in. That
is why we always get very emotional when we come in. That is why it is such
an honor for us, such an honor to be here with these angels of the New Energy
It is time for questions and answers. It is time to speak to you. But, we would
like to do things a bit different today. WE would like to ask YOU the questions!
(audience laughter) We would like you to share with us, and share with everyone
else your energy.
We would like you to come up to the front. And, when you do, we would like
to ask you a question. We won’t ask you first and then have you come up.
We ask you to be in the Now, in the moment, at the microphone. (audience laughter)
We would like to share with you for a bit. So, be bold, dear ones. Step up to
(Pause, then applause as the first Shaumbra, a man, approaches the microphone.)
TOBIAS: Ah… so much energy just passed when you stood up! (more laughter)
So, we ask you – what is your favorite thing about being a human? We would
truly like to know, by the way. This not a set-up, dear friends. We love hearing
RESPONSE from a woman in the audience, not the man at the microphone: Sex!
TOBIAS: And, the question we have back for you, dear one – is that a
fulfilled or unfulfilled energy? (more laughter)
SHAUMBRA 1, the man at the microphone: Sex is very, very good. And, actually
I think it will even get better. I had an experience at the channeling workshop
where I felt like… as my divinity was actually starting to even experience
new sexual energies… and that I could actually feel my energies within
me but also the partner… even though we were separated by distance. So,
there was a melding of energies even though there wasn’t close contact.
And, I think that – to answer the question you asked earlier – the
thing that brings me the most joy is discovering my divinity and allowing it
to blossom and grow.
TOBIAS: And, we thank you for being bold, for stepping forward and sharing
with us. We hear so much more than just your words. We hear the love in your
heart. We feel the glow that you have about you. And, this will help to release
so many doubts that you all have, that you have about this journey and where
you are, how you are doing.
And, we use this moment to also add a note about sex. Sex is one of the greatest
ways to keep a human from discovering how divine they are. There have been so
many energies of guilt, and shame, and abuse associated with sex. When you open
up sexually, whether it is only to yourself or to another person, when you open
up, then your divinity can come and play with you. It can dance. But, as long
as there are these heavy burdens of guilt, and doubt, and abuse on you, it is
very difficult for your divineness to come through.
One of the greatest expressions of divinity is what you would call sex. You
gave this to yourself, this grand pleasure. In the moment of orgasm, energy,
divine energy, flows throughout you. And, if you are with a partner who shares,
who is fulfilled like you… oh, dear ones, New Energy is truly created!
So, let there be no more shame around sex. Let there be no more abuse around
sex. Let it be open. Let you, Shaumbra, be the ones who teach it, because we
know you have gone through some of the nastiest and most difficult experiences
with it. So, be the teachers now. Be the teachers of love. Thank you.
SHAUMBRA 2, a woman: Hello, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Greetings. And, we ask you today – do you choose to release from
mass consciousness, or do you choose to stay?
SHAUMBRA 2: I choose to release. I was actually in the Independence workshop…
TOBIAS: That is why we asked you question! (audience laughter) You were one
of the ones who went through this experience on behalf of all of Shaumbra. But
SHAUMBRA 2: Should I talk about that? Yeah, I choose to release mass consciousness.
I have never been much of a person to be in a box, so to speak anyway. I’m
kind of a box breaker. So, it’s sort of a natural step.
TOBIAS: You were – how to say – such an important part of the energy
of Independence several weeks ago. And, we know that you worked and talked with
others there, helping them to understand, especially what the real issue at
hand was with this. And, so much of the work, my dear, that you have to do also
has to be guiding other people through this type of release process, to where
they can let go of Old notions and concepts. We work with you closely on what
you are doing, what you are pursuing. And, we know sometimes, too, you scratch
your head and wonder about this. But, what you are embarking on, and what you
are teaching here is so important, one of the very critical elements. We encourage
you to continue your work. We can encourage those who are here to support your
work, to participate in it in the venue you have arranged here. And, you are
helping others to become independent in so many different ways. That's why we
wanted to pick on you with this question.
SHAUMBRA 2: Thank you. I might add, if I may, that although I’m teaching
about real estate investing, it’s almost like a disguise. It’s really
about empowerment, abundance…
TOBIAS: It’s about personal independence on every level. But, the hungry
dog goes for the food. The person who is in poverty is always worried about
money and focused on that. So, you are giving them a tool for independence.
And, you can quote us on that. (audience laughter)
TOBIAS TO SHAUMBRA 3 (who is a young adolescent male): How does it feel to
SHAUMBRA 3: Great.
TOBIAS: How does it feel to be here?
SHAUMBRA 3: Great. (audience laughter)
TOBIAS: How does it REALLY feel to be here?
SHAUMBRA 3: Great. (more laughter)
TOBIAS: Breathe in and allow yourself to feel the energies. There is someone,
not in physical form, standing beside you. And, that is why we keep asking how
does it feel to be here. Can you feel this one who stands beside you?
SHAUMBRA 3: Somewhat.
TOBIAS: It is all right if you say “no.” But, if you breathe in,
if you open your heart, you will feel that they have been there for a number
of years of your life. You have known them before. They have been in human body.
They have been walking with you. They left in this lifetime specifically so
that they could come back to share this part of the journey with you, to be
a reassuring, reassuring energy at your side. This one is very loving of you
and has been waiting for quite some time for you to feel this energy. It would
be best not to – how to say – get into all of the specifics here,
but if you open up to feeling, you will understand so much of what we talk about.
So, how do you feel?
SHAUMBRA 3: Kind of uncomfortable.
TOBIAS: Good! (audience laughter) Uncomfortable helps to shift… truly
helps to shift everything. But, what was important here was that you stood up,
that you were willing to be in front of all of Shaumbra. You were willing to
be written in books that will go into history, that others will read, standing
here today in front everyone, opening your feelings. You see, it is safe to
open your feelings. It is safe. No energies can come in and assault or take
over. It is safe to be exposed like you are right now. We know you would like
to run back to your seat. (some laughter) But, you are a way-show-er. You are
helping others to see. It is all right to feel and to open up. And, did you
have a question?
SHAUMBRA 3: No.
TOBIAS: Did you have a question? (more laughter)
SHAUMBRA 3: No.
TOBIAS: If you have a question, you can ask any time.
SHAUMBRA 3: Can I go back to my seat? (much laughter and some applause from
the whole group)
TOBIAS: Yes. We thank you again for being so open. (more audience applause)
TOBIAS (addressing Shaumbra 4, a woman): We are looking. (pause) And, when
is your birthday?
SHAUMBRA 4: February 15th.
TOBIAS: A lovely day.
SHAUMBRA 4: Yes, it is.
TOBIAS: And, how old are you?
SHAUMBRA: 52… 52 million… billion.
TOBIAS: Indeed. Indeed. And, we ask you this on this day. We ask you to share
this so openly with the group, so they know when your birthday is. They can
plan a party. (some laughter) But, also it is our way of helping all of you
to understand that, you see, you are being birthed every day now. The Old Energy
human way was to lock in on a birth date and to figure out your age and to hold
We see so many of you get up in the morning, and look at the mirror, and count
the days and the years going by. And, you are simply triggering your biology
into a death process. You hold onto a date when you were born onto this Earth,
even onto a sign that you came in with. None of these are truly appropriate
anymore. Yes, you can still mark that date. You can still chuckle to yourself
on that date.
But, you’re all being rebirthed. You are all being rebirthed. You CAN
rejuvenate yourselves, particularly with some of the energies brought in today
by Gaia. You can rejuvenate. You don't have to hold onto an aging process anymore.
You don't have to hold on to having a specific number of years. This is still
ingrained within so many of you. And, so many of you still follow the –
how to say – the birth, and the age cycles, and count the years. It is
time to release that, to release your consciousness from that Old pattern. So,
we thank you for this opportunity. And, we thank you for standing in front of
the group like this.
SHAUMBRA 5, a man: Hi, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Indeed. So, will you choose to come back in the next lifetime, to come
back to Earth? You do not have to. You have let all that go. Will you choose
to come back here?
SHAUMBRA 5: I don’t really know yet.
TOBIAS: But, if you had to make a decision right now, what would you choose
SHAUMBRA 5: I guess I would choose to come back.
TOBIAS: Indeed, and we thank you for taking this question from us. The reason
why we bring this up today is that we ask all of you to release any preconceived
notions you had about returning. It is not what you think it is. You were looking
at lifetimes of struggle and difficulty. You were looking at lifetimes when
you could not be or feel your full self. So many of you have made commitments
to yourself that you would never come back here again. And, that locks you out
of some potentials that exist.
There are ways that you could come back that you could never have dreamt of
before. There are wonderful things about Gaia and about Earth, reasons for coming
back. But, we ask all of you to simply release those Old predeterminations that
you had about coming back or not, about whether to go to the New Earth or whether
to return to this one.
And, what we can feel in your heart and in your being is that of total service
to humanity. You have gone through very difficult experiences, some in this
lifetime, mostly in others, and gained such a tremendous empathy and love for
humanity. And, we see that you are so giving of yourself to others. And, we
thank you for this. And, we wanted to take this opportunity to simply acknowledge
you for what you do.
SHAUMBRA 6, a woman: Hi, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Hello. It is a delight to see you again. The question we have for you
on this day is – why did the chicken cross the road? (audience laughter)
SHAUMBRA 6: He was curious.
TOBIAS: He was curious. Indeed, and curious about what?
SHAUMBRA 6: Everything.
TOBIAS: Are you feeling a bit uncomfortable?
SHAUMBRA 6: Yes.
TOBIAS: Indeed, the chicken was curious. But, when it all comes down to it,
the chicken never did cross the road. (some laughter) It was only an illusion
that it had to cross the road to satisfy its curiosity. The chicken remained
in the Now, in the moment. And, everything came to it. It did not need to cross
the road. (more laughter)
SHAUMBRA 6: Thank you.
TOBIAS: And, we ask you one other very quick question. There is a struggle
that you have been going through indeed, feeling perhaps stuck, knowing that
some energy shifted. But, what is the tool from today that you will apply in
your life to help you through this struggle?
SHAUMBRA 6: Everything is fulfilled in me. I am fulfilled.
TOBIAS: Indeed. Indeed… the understanding that it is already there, the
understanding that you don't need to cross the road, just to breathe it in.
Chickens get killed when they cross the road! (much laughter) Thank you.
SHAUMBRA 6: Thank you so much.
TOBIAS to Shaumbra 7, the woman now approaching the microphone: And, we ask
you – how would you counsel others when they come to you? How would you
counsel them about the spiritual journey, one that you have been on for so long?
But, when they come to you as the teacher, what will you tell them?
SHAUMBRA 7: When they come to me as the teacher?
SHAUMBRA 7: What will I tell them? I try to be as open as I can because I never
know who has a message for me. And, I try to apply it in any way I can to myself,
if it has an answer for me. I take what I need, and I leave the rest.
TOBIAS: Indeed, we ask you this question because they will come to you very
soon. They will to come you, and not necessarily ones you expected. But, they
will come to you in interesting and different ways. And, you will be put on
the spot in terms of your own heart and where your heart is in your vibration.
And, in a sense, they will want to know what it is that you know. But, they
will ask in a very defensive way.
And, it is important at that point to take a deep breath. It is important at
that point to ask them how they feel. It is important to listen. It is important
for them to express, express what is going on inside.
This is so important to you, but for all of Shaumbra. There is no need to pontificate.
There is no need to recite verses out of a book. It is to be in the moment with
your students when they come to you, to take a deep breath and listen.
You see, that is what we do with you so often. When you come to us, crying
to us, angry at us, we take a deep breath. And, we say, “How is it that
you are feeling? It sounds like you’re angry. It sounds like you’re
having difficulty.” And, then you allow all of these thoughts and feelings
to go and to process through you. And, then you come up with your own answers.
So, this is something that will happen in your life. This is something we pose
to you very appropriately. And, we thank you for being here. Thank you for taking
on this New role that you are coming to you.
SHAUMBRA 8, a man: Hello, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Indeed. And, we ask you on this day – what is the best way that
you have found to release Old Energies?
SHAUMBRA 8: Breathing.
TOBIAS: Good answer! (audience laughter) And, you have been doing quite a bit
of releasing. We know from being beside you, from being with you that it has
been a struggle to get out of the mind at times. But, now that you are learning
to breathe in, what happens… how… specifically how are the Old unnecessary
energies released from you? How are they expelled from you? There is something
you are doing here that we would like you to share with others.
SHAUMBRA 8: It seems like I just get off of a track of thinking. And, I just
kind of let myself go. And, it’s more like a multi-dimensional way of
expressing. I guess it’s just hard to explain, I guess.
TOBIAS: That’s because you are getting in your head here. (some laughter)
What we see that you do when you are breathing, you allow it to come in very
deeply, and then you do a little bit of a compression scheme here. You build
it up inside. Then, you tend to pop it out. You tend to let it out all in one
burst. You breathe in smoothly. But, then you release quickly. This seems to
have served you very well in letting it go. It is kind of like – how to
say – a burst of energy that you expel. It tends to move much through.
So, we wanted you to help share this with others, and to help them to understand
that you truly can release things through the breath. It is that easy. It is
that easy. And, we thank you for being such a wonderful part of Shaumbra on
Earth and adding your energy to this circle.
LINDA: According to Geoff’s schedule this would be the last interview.
TOBIAS: Indeed. (audience laughter)
SHAUMBRA 9, a woman: Hi, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Indeed. What would now bring you the greatest joy in your life?
SHAUMBRA 9: That could be a loaded question.
TOBIAS: Breathe in deeply. What would bring you the greatest joy right now
in your personal life?
SHAUMBRA 9: My heart only says one thing. That would be relationship.
TOBIAS: Then so be it. So be it. You have put it out there. And, you are so
deserving. You have so much to give, and you want to share it. But, let it be
a relationship of two fulfilled humans. This does not need to be someone who
calls himself Shaumbra, but rather someone who is fulfilled at the soul level.
You have been waiting for quite a while. So, you have expressed this. You have
shared this. You have shared these deep feelings with all of us. So, you have
also created it. We thank you. And, we would like to hear back about your relationship.
SHAUMBRA 9: I’d love to tell you that. And, thank you.
TOBIAS: Thank you, for you are the one who just created it. And, it can now
come to you. We will ask one more question.
SHAUMBRA 10, a woman: Hello, Tobias.
TOBIAS: Hello. It is good to have you here in this energy. And, we ask you
– what is the greatest thing you can do for yourself right now? This is
a personal question directed at you. What is the greatest thing you can do for
SHAUMBRA 10: The only thing that comes to mind is what I have been learning
throughout this lifetime – to love myself.
TOBIAS: Indeed. It’s the most difficult thing a human will ever do. They
are taught for so very long not to love themselves. They are taught that they
are incomplete. They are taught that they are unworthy. So, to learn to love
yourself again is the greatest gift that any of you could give yourselves. It
is the greatest joy. It will bring – how to say – the fastest transformation.
But, it is difficult to do. It is difficult some days to look at yourself –
any of you – in the mirror and to love yourself. You still see a reflection
of something that is less than perfect.
There are many angels gathered here today, what you would call “high
and mighty angels,” coming from grand orders. They sit here weeping today
because they know who you are. They know the work you have done. They know the
dedication. They love you dearly. They only wish you could all love yourselves,
that you could all accept yourselves as who you are, not trying to play tricks
on your mind, but trying to simply let in all of the love that is there, to
love yourself unconditionally.
You can love others. And, my dear, you do that so well, loving others, caring
for others and nurturing others. But, to love yourself is the greatest gift
you’ll ever give you.
With that, dear friends, we thank you for this day… for sharing…
for being with us… for listening to us. We thank you for allowing the
energies of Gaia into this room and understanding it is time now for a transition
to begin. As we said, this would take many, many, many years. But, it is beginning.
Gaia is opening up, saying that she would now like for you to take on the responsibilities,
so much like even a week ago with the Anazasi in the place of Santa Fe. It was
time for them to depart. They had done their work. Some who were in the group
felt empty afterwards, felt alone, felt that a dear friend has departed. And,
in a sense, that is very true.
There is much changing. So much is leaving right now. But, it is for you, for
you, to now take on your own divinity, take on the responsibility to be the
holder and balancer of energies. We remind you that even – and especially
– when energies leave, then they can come back to you in a whole new way.
They are simply leaving the relationship of the Old Energy so they can come
back to you in the New. When you release someone or something – even the
angels when you release them – they can join back up with you in a whole
We have so much to continue talking to you about. We love you dearly. And you
are never alone.
And so it is!
Tobias of the Crimson Council is presented by Geoffrey Hoppe, aka “Cauldre,”
Golden, Colorado. The story of Tobias, from the biblical Book of Tobit, can be
found on the Crimson Circle web site at www.crimsoncircle.com. The Tobias Materials
have been offered free of charge to lightworkers and Shaumbra around the world
since August 1999, the time when Tobias said humanity moved past the potential
of destruction and into the New Energy.
The Crimson Circle is a global network of human angels who are among the
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of the ascension status, they help other humans on their journeys through sharing,
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The Crimson Circle meets monthly in the Denver, Colorado area where Tobias
presents the latest information through Geoffrey Hoppe. Tobias states that he
and the others of the celestial Crimson Council are actually channeling the
humans. According to Tobias, they are reading our energies and translating our
own information back to us so we can see it from the outside, while experiencing
it on the inside. The “Shoud” is the portion of the channeling where
Tobias steps aside and the energy of the humans is channeled directly by Geoffrey
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The purpose of the Crimson Circle is to serve as human guides and teachers
to those walking the path of inner spiritual awakening. This is not an evangelical
mission. Rather, the inner light will guide people to your doorstep for your
compassion and care. You will know what to do and teach in that moment, when
the unique and precious human who is about to embark on the journey of the Bridge
of Swords comes to you.
If you are reading this and feel a sense of truth and connection, you are
indeed Shaumbra. You are a teacher and a human guide. Allow the seed of divinity
to blossom within you in this moment and for all times to come. You are never
alone, for there is family around the world and angels in the realms around
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